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BrunswickT
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posted 11-10-2009 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrunswickT   Click Here to Email BrunswickT     Edit/Delete Message
PCSOT examiners need to be aware of the opportunity we have in penetrating secretive organizations when conducting our exams. Some employ very sophisticated methods of operation that evade normal Law Enforcement activities.

DOJ reports the conviction of a 35 year old man for the production of child pornography.

The real sick kicker is that he was using and abusing his 2 and 10yr. old daughters.

Further investigation disclosed that there is a "National Network of "Fathers" and Guardians that are producing and selling child pornography videos and photos.

The Federal Judge stated that this was the vialist theft of children's innocence that he had seen in 47 years of law practice.

The sex offender was sentenced to 50 years in Federal Prison with lifetime supervision.

Perhaps our Therapists can shed some light on what is described as an epidemic of
sexual child abuse in this country.

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Bill2E
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posted 11-10-2009 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill2E     Edit/Delete Message
I would suggest that this is not a new epidemic of any type. Years ago no one wanted to deal with the problem outside the family. It was a closely guarded family secret. As we have developed and started to require reporting in most states, we have received more reports. The stats I received when talking to persons that do know shocked me, only 20% of offenders are ever caught. SO programs are discovering this as they go along. A large majority of offenders were also victims as children, nothing was reported and there was no intersession to stop the abuse. Just a thought.

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rnelson
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posted 11-11-2009 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson   Click Here to Email rnelson     Edit/Delete Message
drama alert and reality check...

No doubt that sex offenders are dangerous and harm their victims. Sex offenders harm there communities even when not offending because they cause fear.

If I recall correctly we had about 1/4 million or so sex offenders under correctional supervision in the US during 2007.

Supposing you are correct that only 20% are caught - not sure where that comes from, and we need to be careful about throwing numbers around - then we have perhaps 1.25 million sex offenders among us. That is certainly a lot of offenders - they are everywhere and we should watch and protect our kids.

However, with over 200 million people in the US 1.25 million is a small percentage. Probably not an epidemic, but there may be some rise in deviancy and compulsivity as a result of ease of access, perceived anonymity, affordability, and networking resources as a result of modern technology (internet). We are still studying these things.

The normative joke (which would be on us) is that if sexual offending really is far more common than we realized - say we catch only 3 - 5% of offenders - then we'd have 5 to 15% of the population as sex offenders (caught or uncaught). If we are catching only 3-5% of them, then we really stink at our jobs. Also, at 5-15% of the population, we'd be hard pressed to say that the behaivor is non-normal. 5-15% of the population is left-handed (are those numbers non-normal?)

We have to learn to see through the fog of mistakenly interpreting increased reporting and increased concern about these things as evidence of increased prevalence.

There is some indication that a small number of sex offenders are responsible for a high number or an unexpectedly large proportion of sexual offenses. Obviously these guys are our most deviant and dangrous offenders.

There is also evidence suggesting that a large portion of sex offenders were not sexually victimized as childrn, and that sexually victimized children do not tend to grow up to become sex offenders (victims do sometimes grow up to experience other trauma effects throughout their lifetimes).

As a profession interested in providing long-term support to the sex offender supervision and treatment arena, we would be at risk for wearing out our credibility with our scientific minded risk managers and clinicians if we don't stay factual, realistic, and evidence based.

It will be great for polygraph to play an increased role in better informing our emerging understanding of these complex questions of prevalence, course, impact and risk management.

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wuzzle
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posted 11-11-2009 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wuzzle     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with the previous post by rnelson. I am one of "those" folks who is a PCSOT examiner and licensed sex offender therapist. My take on the orignial post is that this is not a new problem, we're just better at finding it and having the resources in place where some people feel safe enough to speak about it. Fortunately, our understanding of sex offenders has dramatically improved over the past 20 years. Research from many fields has led to this increase in detecting incest type offending. I currently have one man in treatment who describes this exact scenario - that he and other parents have a community online or otherwise where the parents swap or trade their own children. This can be in the flesh, usually done at nudist camps, or via videos or photos. Another sad thing they do is to have phone sex with the other parent and role play the person on the other line molesting each others children.
The real good thing is that the research on using the polygraph to manage sex offenders is overwhelmingly supportive and based on some quality research. We are making a difference and while we can't catch them all, those we do catch will hopefully be incarcerated or at least be made to go thru treatment.
Take care and be safe out there!

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Bill2E
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posted 11-14-2009 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill2E     Edit/Delete Message
Ray, I would agree with you if I knew or had first hand knowledge of the actual stastical studies used to determine that 20% figure that was given to me by two different SOV Treatment Program Psychologists while I was conducting SOV testing. (I no longer do SOV testing). And I would not say that sexual deviance is normal. It would be interesting to see actual statistics nationwide regarding percentages of offenders that were victims and also find out where the 20% figure came from that I was given. I do appreciate your insights and extensive studies.

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